Betrayal Options

[Elemental Crisis]

Hello Everyone,

I write this with mixed emotions and with the feeling of betrayal still stinging me. An event took place here on RPG Crisis that has significantly changed myself and this site, RPG Crisis. On July 28th I received a message via Windows Live from fellow user Clone AKA DrDonut informing me of an impending attack orchestrated by none other then my 2nd in command, NES Player and Allen Hunter, a global moderator on the forums. At first I blew it off thinking Clone was trying to start something or was just messing around. I had talk to NES earlier and nothing seemed wrong and was even currently talking to Allen because I was testing his game like I promised to do. But then proof was provided and I'll admit, I didn't want to read it for the slight chance that it could actually be true. I thought to myself, "I've known NES for 5 years and Allen for over a year, they were people I trusted and I considered them my friends." I read through the provided logs and I literally wanted to believe it wasn't true. I had just found out that 2 people who I considered friends, who I trusted and who I tried to do everything they asked of me such as hosting their sites, coding issues and basically anything else they needed intended to fuck me over and in the process attempt to bring down RPG Crisis. Now of course they said no they did-int and will continue to say that because they got caught in the act.

On July 28th, after getting home from work I canceled my plans with some friends. Fully knowing I had to be up in less then 7 hours I decided to sacrifice sleeping that night because I promised to test Allen's game and finish these layout designs NES and I were working on for a brand new version of RPG Crisis. Yes, we had been working on a brand new version of RPG Crisis that is unlike anything ever seen on RPG Crisis. I canceled my plans because I felt bad for not doing these 2 things I had promised to have done a couple days before the 28th. So I got on the computer, apologized to NES because he got offended I called him and Allen an "Asshole" (https://rpgcrisis.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=1559) for basically ruining Lyrics game. I explained to him why and told him I'm sorry and he accepted my apology. I didn't know he would get so offended and I didn't want my #2 guy being mad at me. At this time I started testing Allen's game which at this point NES told me he was going to bed and went "offline" but in reality either just blocked me or went invisible. So while I'm testing Allens game and giving feedback Him, NES and Clone started spamming RPG Crisis and unbanning spammers. They edited members profiles attempting to make it look like they were spamming and banned a member that left because of them. They had other plans as well like changing the logo with RPG Crisis crossed out and the 1337 version replacing it but they didn't get a chance to do it. They knew I was busy playing Allen's game knowing I wasn't going to be on the forums. This is when I got the messages from clone and after checking the situation out I demoted both of them and turned the forums offline. The irony is that Allen and NES actually got mad at me for demoting them and they tried telling me the spamming was just a game. I told them I had received an e-mail saying what they intended to do and they flipped. Clone had asked me to not say his name and so I didn't. They kept trying to tell me it was a game and I told them that I demoted them until I could figure out what was going on. I knew they were lying and and when I asked them if it was true they said no at first until I told them they were lying which they changed their tone and attitude and told me they were leaving.

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A fight started and Allen posted his farewell topic which I replied to (https://rpgcrisis.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=2056) and NES sent me a list of reasons why he was leaving. I also want to point this out, NES and Allen only got mad at Lyric because they didn't want to be in a game created about a community they were planning to leave. Allen also said he wasn't asked if it was ok for him to be in the game yet when I asked him if he had asked Kav if he was ok with himself being in Allen's hate game which is a a complete Kav bashing game Allen said he didn't need to because they kav hate game was justified.

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Well NES buddy you get the special privilege of me responding to your letter in this post you prick. Just so everyone knows NEs and Allen had no intention of telling me they were going to leave RPG Crisis, they were going to let me find out the same time as everyone else, shows how much they respected me.

My responses are the bold text.

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I got some news for RPG Crisis,

I have been to RPG Crisis for an estimated period of 4 years, maybe less or maybe longer. I came to RPG Crisis as an escape place from a former RPG Maker site, X-RPG. RPG Crisis then was an excellent little community where the members can uphold decent conversations on the forums. But as time progressed, RPG Crisis has gone a long way downward. RPG Crisis is now an arena of arrogant, rude individuals who couldn't tolerate criticism given to them.

Elemental Crisis has my respect but unfortunately he does not respect me. Even worse he does not respect my fellow staff members and his entire website. He labeled me and Allen Hunter "assholes" for presenting opposition towards being starred in an RPG Maker project; he fails to be here when his staff members need him; although he plans on having a homepage with content, his strive is partial mainly to the forums; pushes forum activity by housing downloads on a forum module; requires members to register and post to enjoy his content; and essentially accused me for not being aggressive enough.
Apparently NES is super sensitive and felt I disrespected him and Allen by calling them "Assholes", I guess all the times they disrespected me dont matter. As NES and the other staff members know I don't have a lot of time, I work 2 jobs and dont get home usually till midnight. So I apologize NES for wanting to go to sleep after being up all day and working. I wish I could be on the computer like you and Allen for long periods of time! It wasn't just my plan NES, it was our plan to have a new site and you knew we were switching the download system over yet you use it as a reason for leaving? Your as aggressive as much as a coward can be, when did you ever once fight for something you wanted or question me? You never did, you always went along even when I asked you multiple times if you agreed.

I have prepared several games and thousands of resources relating to RPG Maker 2000 and RPG Maker 2003. I have told Elemental Crisis that I wanted to finally upload these resources, but he denied it until a few elements are satisfied, a couple including the rules revision, and a content post. He have held my contributions back, thus rendering my administrative powers useless. None of these elements were satisfied, until a week ago I have fulfilled the first one: a rules page revision. Not to mention I have also pointed out to Elemental Crisis that the content should be uploaded before it gets forgotten.
Wow, I made your administrative powers which have absolutely nothing to do at all with content useless by not letting you post your materials? How in the hell does managing and running the forums become rendered useless because I told you to hold off and wait to upload your materials? Your job was to run the forums not upload content, that's something you did on your own which I told you many times I appreciated. I'm surprised you actually took some intention and did something instead of always waiting for me to do it. Never once did I tell you you couldn't update the rules so don't try and act like I told you otherwise.

I think the person who is not aggressive enough is Elemental Crisis, not me. I cannot be a one-man army, and I can become useless when Elemental Crisis fails to practice teamwork with his assistant administrator. I don't care if anyone here destroys my post by labeling me as passive, lazy, and slothful. An irresponsible owner of a website is still an irresponsible fellow staff member of mine. Maybe if you have the spare time, then I suggest sending Elemental Crisis a staff application via PM. Chances of being accepted are broad.
This makes me laugh, you a "one-man army", Tell me, who coded the site? Who did all the editing and mod installing for the forums, who installed the resource database? What did you do again? Help create some sections on the forums and resource database? I'd also like to point out that NES is a coward and never once took these complaints up with me. I also like the low blow there NES saying I'll accept anyone for staff. Good one, I see you get your inspiration from your buddy Allen.

Our forum is vastly censored; our old 3-post requirement was ruled with an iron fist; any violators are banned; 20+ character post length is enforced, and was planned to extend it when users often violate it. Wasn't that nice? Some of these members we have banned in the orders of Elemental Crisis could have been active members as of today. I suppose we have a reputation for managing a web forum under the authority with an angry vanity.
I never once said ban someone for making 3 posts, I said ban someone if they spam. You and Allen were the ones who wanted this system and the ones who were banning people for posting short replies. The 20+ character post length was my idea and how can you enforce something thats built in? It tells someone when their post is too short, maybe you should of double checked that.

The community here is primitive. Excluding a select few members, the rest of the community are disrespectful to their moderators; troll with the staff members; abuse their native language; write vague posts which contribute nothing to a thread's context; and finally pose an uptight attitude toward their peers. The majority of the older members who seem to be decent have disappeared from the community, and waves of questioned members flied in. This is the kind of community I was gladly appointed administrator over, but now I am ashamed of that.
Im surpirsed you even go on the internet if you get offended so easily. Again a great thing to actually speak up about if you had a problem but we know your too much a coward to have had actually said anything.

This is my verdict on RPG Crisis as a whole, and in addition to being demoted off my administrative powers, will depart from the entire site. I just don't have the time for Internet drama after maintaining my physical health, my relationships with family and friends, my job, my household's financial status, my entertainment needs, and basically anything needed to live. I will not live for an Internet site that is neglected by its owner. I will not waste my spare time maintaining my activity on a forum that is populated with a primitive community. I have better things to do with my life, and I hope you guys will wake up someday.
I love the irony, you get mad at decided to leave sooner then intended because I demoted you for spamming. It's also funny saying you dont have the time for internet drama when you and Allen are the ones who started it. Sorry I'm unable to be on the computer all the time and I apologize that it may take me a day or 2 to get back to you on an issue because I'm tired after working all day and just want to sleep.

For those who want to keep in touch with me, then feel free to add me on Windows Live Messenger or Yahoo! IM at nes.player [AT] hotmail.com or my AIM at nesplayer777. But for those who want to destroy my post at every last detail, then feel free to do so, I could use the amusement of you trying to utilize your weak intelligence.
Thats the spirit! Insult everyone, I'm having fun with this.

Let's see this place try and succeed without us undervalued staff members. Goodbye, RPG Crisis.
~NES Player
There's that elitist attitude that I was finally shown. You think that this place only lives because of you and Allen, funny.

Don't worry people, I'm actually glad their gone. I don't want nor do I need people who talk behind my back and instead of being a man and actually talking to me about a problem decide to keep it to themselves and act like they don't have a problem. RPG Crisis will not go down because these 2 dickheads are gone, in fact thanks to them I'll make sure they regret leaving and that this new version of RPG Crisis gets done ASAP. I've attached the logs that were sent to me so you can read them.

While on a personal level I've resolved the issues with Allen (NES again backed out, wonder why.) who talked on NES behalf. They didn't just back-stab me, they back-stabbed the community. Every member who respected them our looked up to them was betrayed and every visitor who visits RPG Crisis was betrayed. The 100 or so e-mails I've received from you (Visitors/Members) asking what happened, this post is for you. I apologize for what they did, they acted like immature kids and caused a huge problem.

I'd also like to point out this new posts was written a few days ago just recently after the incident. However I refuse to change it because NES wouldn't talk to me about these problems. He wouldn't talk to me even after all we've been through together.

I'd also like to thank all the members who e-mailed me with their support, words cannot express my gratitude. I want to apologize to Ryu for getting banned and being treated like dirt by at that time RPG Crisis. I also want to welcome Sicksinz and Random Hero AKA Shayde Zehetbauer back and thank them for their support as well. Thanks everyone!

Our bad word filter is gone and it wont be back. So feel free to express how you feel. I'll be making a followup news post with whats in store for RPG Crisis since NES and Allen think I can't do it without them.

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[ShaydeZehetbauer]

Glad to be back to lend my support, I've got a lot of content coming up soon, and I'm gonna try help to the best of my ability to get this site back to the amazing community it once was.

To be honest this whole situation is fucking stupid, people need to grow up and stop taking text so goddamn seriously, I mean jesus christ, it's not like what something someone says from around the world is gonna make you cry at night.

Seriously guys just fucking grow up. >__>

Anyway, it feels good to be back now that this place isn't a web replica of Nazi Germany. >__

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insert a smart and witty comment to do with hentai here.

[Liana]

Goodness.. and to think i looked up to those 2.. what the fuck?
Can not say i care if i ever hear from them again.
I need to remove them from my yahoo.. i dont want to talk to them ever again.

I thought i was a bad member for being so slow to deliver content to the site, but at least im not fucking with the site.
Good riddance to bad rubbish.

Both of them remind me of a couple of fucking children not getting their way so they use knowledge of the site to hurt others.

[clone1018]

Dear people of RPG Crisis,
I am speaking for most of the community when I say that we looked up to NES. I looked up to him too. When they first started talking about this I was like ok. Elemental Crisis is a little neglective of RPG Crisis. Don’t get me wrong. They started off with JUST leaving the site. So I decided to leave too. Then NES and Allen started mentioning things like spamming. I felt a little uneasy but hey if an admin is doing it why not. So I did things like spam with leet text (using a translator (I am not that geeky -.-)). Although all my leet posts were actual posts and not Viagra spam it was still wrong. Then it got a little more intense and I started spamming and making threads that might make a small forum (inside) war. Then about 20 min later… Guilt set in. I felt so sorry for what I did I begged NES to delete my account (or all of its posts). He wouldn’t budge. So then I came to EC and asked for him to please delete my account without looking at the forums. He asked me why. After much thought I decided to tell him about all of this. I begged him to not mention my name as it would bring much much shame to me. I asked for him to instead ban me or treat me like a low life spammer. But he wouldn’t. He said me telling him and apologizing was good enough.
Now... You guys may flame me because of my actions.

Sorry,
Luke Strickland (DrDonut(clone1018))

[uzumakishade]

heh bring shame to you? dude its the internet its not like NES and Allen were life long friends that you sold out to the cops. And you should be more ashamed that you tried to hide from them after reporting to EC. If you are going to report them at least do it with dignity and not try to hide your identity

[clone1018]

I didn't hide from them..........

[Ricoman]

wow...for my first post ever (I think), I want to voice my support for Elemental and for DrDonut. It takes real guts to face people after being buried in someone's mud-slinging war.

I have been involved with many, many forums and have seen this happen more times than I can count. But, rarely have I seen the response I have from EC, or for that matter what Drdonut just laid out. My props to both of you.

And EC, I can't program or write code, but if you have some lay work you want done just email me ricardo112971(AT)msn.com and I'll see what I can do.

You guys have gone up a few notches in my book!

[keitsukun]

Was it realy that terrible to be included in a rpg vx game..?
Screwing off a friend and a whole community for the simple reason of being in a game... That cant be real..

Good thing of them to have retired themselves, I cant stand those kind of people... I rarely get mad, but when I go mad, theres blood.

[ShaydeZehetbauer]

Fuck me, I really think we should drop this bleh.

[keitsukun]

Fuck me, I really think we should drop this bleh.

I guess youre right, whats done's done, the problem is resolved and it dont needed to be juiced even more.

Lets hope this wont ever happen again.

[valkill100]

I sure hope not as well. I really like this community too much to see it falter.

[Dyhalto]

Leave, okay.
Smash windows, break desks, dump garbage, defecate on furniture.... not ok.
NES, for all of his widespread respect, showed us that even the brightest minds are subject to the allure of being an Emo-Fag.
I was looking forward to Allen's game. I'll have to scoff it from whatever site he posts it at.

In the end, we all learned that even staff positions are subject to a cull of the weak. Natural selection at work.

[Liana]

Can we please stop with the bigotry.. not all Emos are gay..
I am Emo and i dont like the name calling, you can curse and call them dickheads and fucktards all you like.. but lets not go there with the Emo thing.. we dont want to be a community of bashers of sertin types of people..

I am Emo and the Emo fag comment was uncalled for.

[Dyhalto]

I've never heard anyone refer to themselves as "emo". It's always been a derogatory term to me.

I'm sorry. I meant no offense.

[Liana]

Your forgiven, yes Emo are a group.. they pretty much broke off of goth.. who broke away from punk before that..

You have Punk.. then Goth then Emo..

Emo are in tune with their emotions even though they are dark like goth they embrace their emotions unlike goth.

Anyhow, your forgiven ^^

[mirrors]

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

Perhaps I shouldn't be laughing, but I find this hilarious. I'd expect this kind of behavior from junior high students. Then again, perhaps that's what they are? Regardless, I have to wonder what they hoped to accomplish with this whole deal. As far as I can see, they hardly inconvenienced RPG Crisis at all and made themselves look like unbelievably immature morons while they were at it.

I always found NES a bit annoying and Allen always came off to me as rude and arrogant, but this went beyond my expectations. Ah, this made my day.

Anywho, sorry you had to deal with all that TTM. You've always worked hard for RPG Crisis and know you'll continue to do so.

[megaman8x]

Sigh.....
Did you seriously have to post a epic long post about this nonsense as if its a major history point of rpg crisis, boo fucking hoo cry me a river stop pretending like your such a vitctim.

While they may have took it drastically about the game they did have some points, this site is setup for failure
I have been here since the beginning, never left, never quit, nothing always been here and its always been the same shit, Ricky has some serious management issues trying to run this place like a fucking taco bell making an line of power and thinking its ok for him to be in the king role as if the staff should work for him and not with him to make this palce better I do agree that the most important thing about this place is the forums always has been the main focus to get members than actuall work on content and progress the site, every gimic from IGM being put foremost important than anything to the 3 post rule rediculous banning of spammers, are you seriously thinking its ok to ban people for having interest in what we provide? holding back content so you can make some relently dumb and always late upgrade is stupid and damaging of the site. you really think this revenge scheme will change anything? cause it wont it will go back right to the status qoue since pretty much im the only one who does work around here seeing your too busy hanging out with faggots and expect us to just take on whatever and wait fucking weeks to argue with you to get simple shit done that shouldnt even be a question in a first place.

I always had my doubts about joining the staff here, i honestly did. I guess the only reason im still here is because i just dont have the will to actually build an entire site from scratch,eh. Im just a translator anyways none of the site politics are of any real interest to me, only my vision of what rpg crisis was suppose to be.

SO long ALLEN and NES PLAYER, i could honestly care less..

[Elemental Crisis]

Yeah I did, for me personally I'm done and I'm over it but I still felt everyone else should know what happened.

Most of what you hit on were issues NES and I discussed and decided to change.

- Redone forum layout that provides equal coverage for all the makers.
- Brand new site that's self sufficient with the purpose of drawing people away from the forums to the site.
- Fresh content weekly. Games, resources, tutorials..etc
- 3 Post rule was removed weeks ago.
- I only banned actual people/bots who spammed. Never a member whose post was something like "Thanks for the download!" in each post.

Again, I didn't post this for revenge. My original post does come off harshly and I do personally attack both of them but NES wouldn't even join the conversation so why should I change my post if he wouldn't even give me a few minutes of his time?

I'm not perfect, I make mistakes. Holding back content wasn't the best idea, I agree. Again, with the new site the majority of content would no longer be housed on the forums. I now know that making the majority of our content forum based (Downloads and Tutorials Mod) was a bad idea and again was something that's changing with the new site. I know your planning to leave but I ask you hold of and wait till you see the new site, the plans at least. Maybe that will convince you that I'm more focused on the site then attempting to get members for the forums.

I also wanted to touch on something Clone said, "But he wouldn?t. He said me telling him and apologizing was good enough.".

Its takes a lot to tell someone when you mess up, Clone knew what he was doing and told me fully knowing he could get banned. I value integrity and honesty, I cant stand people who lie to me. That's the reason Clone wasn't in any trouble. He was honest with me and even asked to be banned because he felt ashamed. It takes a lot to fess up to something you did that you knew was wrong to do in the first place.

Also, it was more then just because they were in a game, that was just the last straw I suppose or something like that.

[megaman8x]

Yeah I did, for me personally I'm done and I'm over it but I still felt everyone else should know what happened.

Most of what you hit on were issues NES and I discussed and decided to change.

- Redone forum layout that provides equal coverage for all the makers.
- Brand new site that's self sufficient with the purpose of drawing people away from the forums to the site.
- Fresh content weekly. Games, resources, tutorials..etc
- 3 Post rule was removed weeks ago.
- I only banned actual people/bots who spammed. Never a member whose post was something like "Thanks for the download!" in each post.

Again, I didn't post this for revenge. My original post does come off harshly and I do personally attack both of them but NES wouldn't even join the conversation so why should I change my post if he wouldn't even give me a few minutes of his time?

I'm not perfect, I make mistakes. Holding back content wasn't the best idea, I agree. Again, with the new site the majority of content would no longer be housed on the forums. I now know that making the majority of our content forum based (Downloads and Tutorials Mod) was a bad idea and again was something that's changing with the new site. I know your planning to leave but I ask you hold of and wait till you see the new site, the plans at least. Maybe that will convince you that I'm more focused on the site then attempting to get members for the forums.

I also wanted to touch on something Clone said, "But he wouldn’t. He said me telling him and apologizing was good enough.".

Its takes a lot to tell someone when you mess up, Clone knew what he was doing and told me fully knowing he could get banned. I value integrity and honesty, I cant stand people who lie to me. That's the reason Clone wasn't in any trouble. He was honest with me and even asked to be banned because he felt ashamed. It takes a lot to fess up to something you did that you knew was wrong to do in the first place.

Also, it was more then just because they were in a game, that was just the last straw I suppose or something like that.

Save the drama for yo moma you're still nothing but a cockblocker.

I will not be used as some gimic for you to pick up chick at a club.

[Altes Eisen]

Awesome; and i tought that the drama in here was less than in other areas...
guess i was pretty wrong.

Anyway; i don't care at all about those two; i didn't know them and besides what's the need about the wall-o-text?
I know you're kinda touchy at times; remember the 1st time i PM'ed you?
Another guy would just get offended by your answer and leaved...as for me i writed again; getting this time a kind response that helped me; A LOT.

So in the end; things just happens.

P.S:And don't forget that everyone must watch that thing called "real life"; i myself didn't post in a long time; since i'm busy with stuff(and add to that rising a kitty ) and don't have the time to post new stuff/create it.